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#31 avivaham

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Posted 03 June 2022 - 03:28 PM

You admitted you didn't even look at the articles though lol

I read the URLs and it wasn't worth my time.

It wasn't an "accident" it was an unexpected outcome because the same gene deletion in other rodents has a different behavioral outcome.

Gene editing didn't "turn hamsters violent". The study was designed so that all the hamsters - including those that were not gene-edited - would display aggression. They placed an older hamster that had been living alone with a younger same-sex hamster. (remember, they were expecting reduced aggression based on mouse studies on the same gene.) of course they were going to display aggression! The differences were the KO hamsters had less latency to aggression, were aggressive for a longer period of time. The publication is not clear if they coded behaviors and quantified them or only measured latency and duration. The aggressive behavior observed were chasing, biting and pinning.

Knock-out (gene deleted) animal studies are important for understanding diseases in humans and pharmaceutical interventions. Ironically, they're important for animal welfare because fewer animals are used. Instead of selectively breeding generations of animals with a specific health problem, the gene is deleted in a few individuals. Interestingly, there is a CRISPR project editing genes of pigs to develop animals that have better lower stress responses, which leads to better health and welfare for the animals. People have been breeding plants and animals for thousands of years and producing radical (and often unexpected or detrimental) changes in them. But that's a whole different topic.

So yeah, if the URLs are exaggerated and false, I'm not falling for clickbait and reading the article. Research on hamsters is real. CRISPR gene-editing in research animals, including hamsters is real. The article they're referring to is real, just being misinterpreted to grab people's attention (to earn money on advertising or selling data...)


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Posted 03 June 2022 - 07:36 PM

I read the URLs and it wasn't worth my time.

It wasn't an "accident" it was an unexpected outcome because the same gene deletion in other rodents has a different behavioral outcome.

Gene editing didn't "turn hamsters violent". The study was designed so that all the hamsters - including those that were not gene-edited - would display aggression. They placed an older hamster that had been living alone with a younger same-sex hamster. (remember, they were expecting reduced aggression based on mouse studies on the same gene.) of course they were going to display aggression! The differences were the KO hamsters had less latency to aggression, were aggressive for a longer period of time. The publication is not clear if they coded behaviors and quantified them or only measured latency and duration. The aggressive behavior observed were chasing, biting and pinning.

Knock-out (gene deleted) animal studies are important for understanding diseases in humans and pharmaceutical interventions. Ironically, they're important for animal welfare because fewer animals are used. Instead of selectively breeding generations of animals with a specific health problem, the gene is deleted in a few individuals. Interestingly, there is a CRISPR project editing genes of pigs to develop animals that have better lower stress responses, which leads to better health and welfare for the animals. People have been breeding plants and animals for thousands of years and producing radical (and often unexpected or detrimental) changes in them. But that's a whole different topic.

So yeah, if the URLs are exaggerated and false, I'm not falling for clickbait and reading the article. Research on hamsters is real. CRISPR gene-editing in research animals, including hamsters is real. The article they're referring to is real, just being misinterpreted to grab people's attention (to earn money on advertising or selling data...)

 

They said in the studies that hamster social patterns had been well documented for years and then they were surprised by this outcome lol I guess they aren't very good scientists. I'm pretty sure that any kid on HH could have told them the result of putting those two hamsters together, regardless of what they did to the genes.

 

Yes, people can breed animals together but in the end Mother Nature decides if they are viable. If the species are compatible, they will produce offspring able to reproduce. If they aren't compatible, they will produce an infertile offspring. These people are playing at being God, like a child with a tea set plays at being the Queen of England.

 

The point is they might have used specific words to grab your attention but the news isn't "fake". They did do this experiment and it did produce an outcome that wasn't expected. That's literally the definition of an accident lol The excuse that "we did this on an entirely different species with an entirely different social structure and it worked (aka mice)" is not an excuse for stupidity or carelessness that probably resulted in injury.

 

Accident 1 : an unfortunate event resulting from carelessness, unawareness, ignorance, or a combination of causes 2 : an unforeseen and unplanned event or circumstance


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Posted 03 June 2022 - 07:41 PM

With my beloved hammy, Aslan, and all animals really, I just think that if I'm their owner, I'm literally like an alien that abducted them. What kind of alien would I want to be? A benevolent one who makes their lives happy and full of joy and hope and possibility, or an evil one probing them on the spaceship, so to speak, with weird experiments?

People today make me sick. Animals are LIVING CREATURES. All of this just in the name of SCIENCE, the new religion... 

This is why I check most of my cosmetics to see if they've been tested on animals. 14% of all cosmetics are tested on SYRIAN HAMSTERS, which is my little Aslan (though he isn't a little boy at all, he's so big and beautiful!), and if it's tested on animals I can't use it. I won't use it. 

It's true hammies are very commonly a test subject for vanity items. Thankfully, there are more choices now as people are realizing that hey putting stuff in animal's eyes to burn is not the only way to figure out if these things are safe.

 

Another reason, I really prefer not to use anything with artificial ingredients or chemicals (even derived from nature things). Even if they aren't currently being tested on animals, chances are they were at one point.


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