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#16 ♥~kitkat7♥

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Posted 02 June 2022 - 02:24 AM

I think it depends on:

 

Whose doing it? Is it someone that can be trusted without ulterior motives?

 

 

Why are they doing it? Is it to solve just to solve problem or just to gain prestige by being the first ones that could do it, or someone who thinks about the ramifications of what they are doing? The road to heII is paved with good intentions and I'm not just talking about a literal heII but major consequences that humanity could suffer because of someone's carelessness. 

 

Are they doing it ethically? Are they treating the animals with respect and care? Do they use them and throw them away after?

 

We don't have a legal framework right now for animal human hybrids, are they animal? Are they human? Do they have rights? These are big deep ethical questions that aren't answered yet and do we wait until they exist to answer the questions? Same with Robots with AI, we have not even begun to answer these questions, yet we are creating them, using them for our own purposes, etc.

 

Right now, I don't believe it is ethical because we haven't had those discussions and frankly, I prefer to leave the job of playing God to God. Not a scientist with a God complex. Exploitation because you created it, doesn't make it less exploitative.

Some testing makes me really mad, when it's cruel and unethical. And completely unnecessary.

I just think it depends on the factors you mentioned.

      People do experiments with animals all the time. God gave animals to us, so we care for them, but they are not as valuable as humans, so if scientists are using hamsters, guinea pigs, chinchillas, any animals for experiments, it is not that bad, unless it is serious animal abuse. That does not mean we should treat animals like dirt, but if we need to do an experiment on them that could save humans, (or the animal), animal testing is fine if we know what we are doing.

 

Because we already know that hamsters will most often fight if they are housed together, putting them together is a dangerous and mean experiment, it is an unnecessary experiment, because we already know what would happen. But the group called Hero Rats, which uses rats to find land mines, is ok because it is not abusive, is save for the animal and benefits humans.

 

And then there is testing chemicals on them. We should not be trying to feed Radon water to animals, because we know that Radon is poisonous. (Ironically, in the old days they thought Radon water was the ultimate health drink.) 

There is some necessary testing and then you see the testing that's unnecessary and you are just like "wait, what?"

Ofc, there's always going to be a bad side, and often a good side.

IMO, I just think it depends.

 

But, in my opinion, hybrid animals are pretty cool. But it is messing up that natural order of nature and God's work, and when we try to make new animals, it is kind of wrong, if you know what I mean.

I agree, and totally get what you are saying, but I think animals are fine the way they are and we don't need hybrids.

A bunch of new news stories and interviews? But what does it do for the animal? Is it helping? Unless it is beneficial in some way, I don't think it is humane.


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Posted 02 June 2022 - 03:53 AM

*laughs* "I-I understood that reference..." (what's that from? Marvel fans?!

I can't tell if the 'Marvel fans' part was a joke or not...

 

If not, Jurassic Park is not Marvel. :) 


Edited by Iszie, 02 June 2022 - 03:54 AM.


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Posted 02 June 2022 - 04:47 AM

I can't tell if the 'Marvel fans' part was a joke or not...

 

If not, Jurassic Park is not Marvel. :)

True...


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Posted 02 June 2022 - 04:57 AM

I can't tell if the 'Marvel fans' part was a joke or not...

 

If not, Jurassic Park is not Marvel. :)

 

 

True...

It definitely was a joke lol


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Posted 02 June 2022 - 06:04 AM

I can't tell if the 'Marvel fans' part was a joke or not...

 

If not, Jurassic Park is not Marvel. :)

oh, it's a quote from Marvel and I was saying where are the marvel fans because I was quoting  Age of Ultron


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Posted 02 June 2022 - 08:11 AM

the gene thing, oh boy. If they do something bad by accident then...................................


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Posted 02 June 2022 - 10:13 AM

Hey guys, back again.
 
I usually hate posting 2 times in a row, but whatever :)
 
So I was looking at "hamster news" on google and the results were just really mixed.
Here are some results that I wanted you guys to look at, they are kinda wierd.
*tw: mentions of hamsters being aggresive*
 
I got a billion articles about some scientists who were experimenting on hamsters with CRISPR (a gene editing technology) and accidentally made them extra aggresive:
https://boingboing.net/2022/05/29/scientists-accidentally-made-a-vicious-mutant-attack-hamster.html
https://nypost.com/2022/05/29/northwestern-university-gene-editing-experiment-turns-hamsters-violent/
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/scientists-surprised-after-gene-editing-experiment-turn-docile-hamsters-hyper-aggressive-study-3019122
https://futurism.com/the-byte/gene-hacked-hamsters-aggressive
 
This article is about Poppy Bee Hamstery (Tae is from there) and they are breeding super sized satin-coated hamsters:
https://northernvirginiamag.com/family/pets/2022/05/25/poppy-bee-hamstery/
 
Monkeypox article: https://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/51058/20220529/hamsters-owned-by-monkeypox-carriers-should-be-isolated-or-killed.htm
 
 
I have no clue if these are real or fake, so can you guys give me answers?
Istg, hamster news is CRAZY!!
 
 
thanks
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Syrian hamsters were originally caught and bred with the intent to be laboratory research animals. They are still used extensively in research, but most of it's boring and complex. Hamster research includes cancers, heart disease, circadian rhythm, bacterial and viral infections, thyroid function, efficacy of surgical masks in reducing COVID-19 - so many COVID studies on hamsters! There have been dozens - if not hundreds - of CRISPR studies on hamsters.

 

I didn't follow the links. I can tell from the URL that the articles are sensationalized (probably to the point of being inaccurate). Researchers were demonstrating the affect of a specific gene on social behavior by removing ("knock-out") that one specific gene. Their gene-editing was successful but they had an unexpected behavioral result. This showed that the gene functioned differently than researchers believed before the study was done. You can read the full article here (trigger warning, photos of unalive hamsters on page 2): https://www.pnas.org/doi/epdf/10.1073/pnas.2121037119

 

This is a separate issue from cloning and hybridizing. This is not making new aggressive hamster bloodlines. These are terminal studies, there aren't any offspring or survivors. The edited genes are not passed on. There are strict animal welfare rules in place for laboratory animals, and while they do not align with what we want for our pets it does ensure a standard of care and welfare.
 


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Posted 02 June 2022 - 04:04 PM

oh, it's a quote from Marvel and I was saying where are the marvel fans because I was quoting  Age of Ultron

Ohhh I see, but as a Marvel fan I must point out that you’re actually incorrect. :)

 

Steve Rogers (Captain America) says “I do! I understood that reference” in reply to Nick Fury talking about personal flying monkeys (and sort of to Thor as well, who said “monkeys?? I do not understand…”). This occurs in the first Avengers movie, not Age of Ultron as you said above.
 

Just educating as I’m a Marvel geek and I like to correct facts, please don’t take this negatively! 


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Posted 02 June 2022 - 08:13 PM

Syrian hamsters were originally caught and bred with the intent to be laboratory research animals. They are still used extensively in research, but most of it's boring and complex. Hamster research includes cancers, heart disease, circadian rhythm, bacterial and viral infections, thyroid function, efficacy of surgical masks in reducing COVID-19 - so many COVID studies on hamsters! There have been dozens - if not hundreds - of CRISPR studies on hamsters.

Just because humans decided that this was the animal to experiment on doesn't make it right. They picked rats and mice and hamsters, because they are small and easy to control. That doesn't make it ethical, just because it's been done before.

 

I didn't follow the links. I can tell from the URL that the articles are sensationalized (probably to the point of being inaccurate). Researchers were demonstrating the affect of a specific gene on social behavior by removing ("knock-out") that one specific gene. Their gene-editing was successful but they had an unexpected behavioral result. This showed that the gene functioned differently than researchers believed before the study was done. You can read the full article here (trigger warning, photos of unalive hamsters on page 2): https://www.pnas.org/doi/epdf/10.1073/pnas.2121037119

and why do they need to do that? What's the purpose? To alter human genes? Is that ethical? The majority of animal studies are so they can perform similar experiments on humans. Has there been any thought behind what someone could do with that kind of knowledge? Are you going to volunteer for those kinds of experiments because they are so worthwhile? Or will they just find some poor desperate humans to bribe with a few hundred dollars to be experimented on.

 

This is a separate issue from cloning and hybridizing. This is not making new aggressive hamster bloodlines. These are terminal studies, there aren't any offspring or survivors. The edited genes are not passed on. There are strict animal welfare rules in place for laboratory animals, and while they do not align with what we want for our pets it does ensure a standard of care and welfare.

Yes, they give them food, water, and shelter. The same could be said for many slaves. That doesn't make their treatment ethical. That doesn't mean they don't feel pain. Also, for every study that is seeming ethical, there is another study where beagles are being strapped down to the floor and their faces eaten away by maggots while they are still alive. Many forms of animal experimentation are cruel. And what if something goes wrong and these animals escape or somehow they get out into the world? The lab is not a vacuum, mistakes happen. Just because you have good intentions, doesn't make what you are doing right.
 

I personally don't feel like injecting animals with disease so they can slowly die or we kill them if they don't so we can do a necropsy on them is ethical. God giving us dominion over animals meant we were their caretakers and yes we need to eat some animals to live but that's not the same as purposely inflicting harm and pain just to watch the results.

 

The problem with many people in this field is they hold Science (big S) above all else and when Science is your highest authority, anything done in the name of Science is justifiable.


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Posted 02 June 2022 - 08:17 PM

Ohhh I see, but as a Marvel fan I must point out that you’re actually incorrect. :)

 

Steve Rogers (Captain America) says “I do! I understood that reference” in reply to Nick Fury talking about personal flying monkeys (and sort of to Thor as well, who said “monkeys?? I do not understand…”). This occurs in the first Avengers movie, not Age of Ultron as you said above.
 

Just educating as I’m a Marvel geek and I like to correct facts, please don’t take this negatively! 

AHHH! oh no I was wrong! I'm sorry to all marvel fans! I'm gonna go re-watch all of them to get my quotes in tact! LOL! Thanks iszie for correcting me!


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Posted 03 June 2022 - 04:02 AM

Imma just leave this here...

 

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If you don't know this reference, for the love of cheese, go watch Jurassic Park (the real one) from the 90s.

HAHA! Oh, sigh... this is such an important message, and yet it seems like scientists of today prefer to be Frankenstein. 


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Posted 03 June 2022 - 05:18 AM

I personally don't feel like injecting animals with disease so they can slowly die or we kill them if they don't so we can do a necropsy on them is ethical. God giving us dominion over animals meant we were their caretakers and yes we need to eat some animals to live but that's not the same as purposely inflicting harm and pain just to watch the results.

 

The problem with many people in this field is they hold Science (big S) above all else and when Science is your highest authority, anything done in the name of Science is justifiable.

I'm not here to debate ethics. I answered the OP's question because previous comments did not.



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Posted 03 June 2022 - 05:45 AM

I'm not here to debate ethics. I answered the OP's question because previous comments did not.

I did say at the beginning, it was small potatoes compared what they have been doing. It's not "fake news" because it's just a very small piece of how far people have gone in this direction. They might be just now realizing/admitting some of it, but it's been published in studies for decades, so it's catching the eye of news outlets.

 

You admitted you didn't even look at the articles though lol


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Posted 03 June 2022 - 06:25 AM

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That's horrible!! Why would they do that to innocent creatures? :crybuckets:

 

Exactly. Have none of these "scientists" seen Jurassic World?!

With my beloved hammy, Aslan, and all animals really, I just think that if I'm their owner, I'm literally like an alien that abducted them. What kind of alien would I want to be? A benevolent one who makes their lives happy and full of joy and hope and possibility, or an evil one probing them on the spaceship, so to speak, with weird experiments?

People today make me sick. Animals are LIVING CREATURES. All of this just in the name of SCIENCE, the new religion... 

This is why I check most of my cosmetics to see if they've been tested on animals. 14% of all cosmetics are tested on SYRIAN HAMSTERS, which is my little Aslan (though he isn't a little boy at all, he's so big and beautiful!), and if it's tested on animals I can't use it. I won't use it. 


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Posted 03 June 2022 - 07:41 AM

With my beloved hammy, Aslan, and all animals really, I just think that if I'm their owner, I'm literally like an alien that abducted them. What kind of alien would I want to be? A benevolent one who makes their lives happy and full of joy and hope and possibility, or an evil one probing them on the spaceship, so to speak, with weird experiments?

People today make me sick. Animals are LIVING CREATURES. All of this just in the name of SCIENCE, the new religion... 

This is why I check most of my cosmetics to see if they've been tested on animals. 14% of all cosmetics are tested on SYRIAN HAMSTERS, which is my little Aslan (though he isn't a little boy at all, he's so big and beautiful!), and if it's tested on animals I can't use it. I won't use it. 

I always check shampoos and makeup items!

14%?! WHY THOSE LITTLE.......







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