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#76 Kikya

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Posted 10 June 2022 - 01:19 AM

Okay yes, I will admit, a year ago I was a really bad person. And I’ve tried to talk to about that. I know you won’t let it go, but don’t let that have an effect on how you see me now. Continuing to call me manipulative and getting angry at me for existing isn’t solving the problem of what I did in the past.

It's not a matter of letting it go, I am trying to deal with all the conflicts the past put inside me. I really did care about you and the way things ended was very bad. Should I pretend I wasn't hurt by it? Probably not healthy, plus some trust was broken.

 

I am not angry at you now, (except for when your buddies try to dog pile me). You are a young girl and you are still "in the oven" as me and my hubby say. You'll make a lot of mistakes along the way, just know that not all mistakes can be fixed with an "I'm sorry". Mistakes were made on many sides, you aren't all to blame. You have your issues and I have mine. No one is perfect. It's better when we can face it.

 

I would like us to be friends again but I also know myself and if I let myself become friendly, I will start to care again and I am not ready for that. That's why I'm keeping my distance, plus I really do believe a better relationship with your mom would be the best thing for you. You don't need me to be in the way of that.

 

I don't really care that you call me boomer (even though factually speak I am not lol) I caught myself teasing you and joking and I wanted to push you away because frankly, I don't know if you have changed.

 

Robin got a bit caught in the middle but I am still not going to change the way I talk for someone else. Especially when that person has told me they have no interest in being friends or friendly.


Edited by Kikya, 10 June 2022 - 01:19 AM.





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Posted 10 June 2022 - 01:39 AM

No, I certainly don't think it's easy. I respect you for the way you've persevered through such times, and I hope you made it through okay <33 I deal with peer pressure, too. I'm a teen, okay? I know what it's like, as you did back then. I'm fortunate enough to have many good influences in my life, who thankfully don't pressure me to do drugs or to get intoxicated, and many would advise against it. I got lucky. But that doesn't mean I haven't dealt with people who want me to do things I don't want to do, or felt the natural distance when I was "different" from them. And I respect you for what you've pushed through. 

 

I made it through just fine and so will you and you'll be happy you didn't let other people tell you what to say or how to live. Though, it is a good idea to take advice sometimes, boy, the many times I said, Dang, Dad, you were right in the last 15 years is annoying lol

 

It is just a phrase of speech, and a silly thing, you're right. Which is why I struggle to see why you're being so stubborn about it. I'm not asking you to change something huge. We're trying to correct you when you act in a condescending manner towards Robin, who asked not to be addressed as "just a kid" because it makes a person sound...small and incompetent. Which isn't true. It's that simple.

 

Really. It's that simple :) :)

 

But I never said "just a kid". People keeping saying that like it makes it true but go back and read it again. I said You're a kid. Just like I would say, you're a blonde, or you're a trekkie. It's a descriptor, by putting your own voice behind it and assuming things I didn't say or mean is taking it the wrong way. I've said multiple times on this forum being a kid is not a bad thing. I like kids or I wouldn't have had 4 of them.

 

 

Do you remember what it's like to be young? I'm sure you do, at least somewhat, unless you're like my mom who can hardly remember anything at all haha. When you get treated like a kid, it can bother you sometimes. You're trying to become independent and to find your own way in the world when it can feel like the whole world is against you. I'm not blind to teenage drama or hormones or mood swings. Trust me, moodiness and I are old friends. But calling someone "just a kid" when they respectfully asked you not to is a little unnecessary. 

 

Of course, I remember and I am also experiencing it again with my own kids. I let my kids do a lot of their own decision making and try to make them as independent of me as I can. Nothing worse than proverbial devouring mother. But I'm still going to call them "kids". I use Bud, Kid, Kiddo often. Literally just today, I was talking with some coworkers about unrelated things, and they were talking about going on a cruise with all the "kids" including their adult children. It's just a word. I will probably use it for the rest of my life to describe people younger than me, just like the older people before me.

 

And I think I came across as overly aggressive. Don't get me wrong, I do care about this. But it really is very petty and not a topic that needs to be continued further. I'll definitely admit to pushing this topic forward, yes, but I'm saying things I feel need to be said. 

 

It is extremely petty to take offense at the word kid, or middle aged or whatever. (boomer actually only has the intent to be disrespectful) Generational differences exist and the best thing to do is laugh about it, accept they exist and move on. Honestly, I never thought that would be the thing in my post that set people off. I figured people would go on a tangent about science vs nature or something like that. I didn't even think that the word kid, would set off an avalanche.

 

At the end of the day, none of us can change your mind, you can continue to ignore our respectful asks (and you can't deny it, for the most part, our posts have been respectful), and we can all move on happy as can be expected :) :) I'm sure that's what many of us want. 

 

No you can't and frankly, the more I'm pushed the less I want to do it. If Robin had private messaged me instead and asked, it's likely, I would have edited the post and removed it. But instead it had to be this big drama thing over the word "kid". But she won't do that because it's not her intent to be friends with me or even to be friendly toward me and frankly, at this point, I wouldn't trust it because of all of our history.

 

And I apologize if we came across as ridiculous, "silly girls," or generally overdramatic. I'll admit, teens do get like that sometimes (and yes, I am 16. I know what it's like to be a teen. I'm learning to drive and I have a job where I make actual money, so I do know what maturity feels like, and I think most of these posts have been delivered in a respectful manner, including yours, kikya). I think the reason we all see this as a big deal is because Robin is one of our own. We're protective of friends, which is in my opinion an excellent trait to have so long as it's applied in moderation (and I'm willing to admit that we may have pushed this a bit too far), so I'm sorry if we're coming across as unnecessarily pushy about this.

 

Other than one slightly emotional post about a past issue, my posts have been respectful and some of the responses have been as well. It's an admirable trait to defend a friend however, when will that friend learn to defend herself if you do it for her? and how many people does it take to "defend" one person who should be able to defend herself?

I appreciate the fact that you are trying to be reasonable.


Edited by Kikya, 10 June 2022 - 01:46 AM.


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Posted 10 June 2022 - 01:57 AM

I'm not asking for other people to defend me for me. That just happens cuz...I don't know...we're good friends? And we like sticking up for each other? When was that a bad thing? You're making it seem like I'm trying to send an army of forumites after you, which I'm not intending to do. This is not me being unable to fend for myself, I just don't want to waste my time arguing with a brick wall and it seems other people felt like they could tackle it. I don't need a 1v1 via PM or anything to sort it out; there's nothing to be sorted out. I stated my opinions, defended them, and made a quick comment about your post in particular. I didn't come back on the forum to argue with you in particular lol...we just happen to have differing opinions.


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Posted 10 June 2022 - 02:13 AM

I'm not asking for other people to defend me for me. That just happens cuz...I don't know...we're good friends? And we like sticking up for each other? When was that a bad thing? You're making it seem like I'm trying to send an army of forumites after you, which I'm not intending to do. This is not me being unable to fend for myself, I just don't want to waste my time arguing with a brick wall and it seems other people felt like they could tackle it. I don't need a 1v1 via PM or anything to sort it out; there's nothing to be sorted out. I stated my opinions, defended them, and made a quick comment about your post in particular. I didn't come back on the forum to argue with you in particular lol...we just happen to have differing opinions.

 

Well, I agree nothing to be sorted out unless we actual want some kind of relationship. I'm fine with a neutral at this point.

 

I also agree you got caught in the middle by people that really should stay out of it and apparently have a history of not staying out of it. You don't want anything from me and I don't want anything from you.

 

You made a polite request and I made a denial of that request. It really shouldn't have gone further than that.

(which if you go back, that is exactly what I said to MK before all this mess)

 

However, you are the older teen that they are all looking up to and you should probably shut stuff like that down particularly when they are doing it on your behalf. That is what I would do, if I didn't want conflict. I would tell my friends, "guys let it go. It doesn't bother me." and that would be the end of it.

 

We don't need people talking behind other people's backs. If someone's got something to say, then go ahead and say it, don't be a coward. Let's talk it out or don't say anything at all.

 

Also, I'm sorry you got a bit in the middle between me and bindi's issue. It should have stay separate.


Edited by Kikya, 10 June 2022 - 05:01 AM.

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Posted 10 June 2022 - 04:14 AM

I actually forgot that it was you specifically, but that's funny how you are trying to do it again. Getting involved in trying to control what other people say and do again.

 

Not surprising.

 

Also, you didn't just support your friend. You went on a public forum to announce it to everyone.

 

Trying to do what again?

 

Oh really? Because my friend did not only tell me- she told Nibbles and without realising she was making a topic about one particular person because my friend never mentioned the name - she just said a person had made her cry, i'm not going to get into it all.

 

When did I EVER announce it to the forum?! 

 

I'm reporting you because this can't continue, I hope you will just be warned and you will stop - but if it happens 3 times you're banned.

 

I'm incredibly hurt by everything you have said to me and everyone else, particularly the post I have quoted, this isn't like you. To think that people have mistaken me as a person who bullies and controls members... I don't know how I can live being an active member on here with people who think that about me. I really do expect an apology, to me and MK we tried to help but all we got was backlash from you. I'm sorry if I've been rude to you - but I really don't see how I can live with people who think this about me.


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Posted 10 June 2022 - 04:34 AM

Trying to do what again?

 

Oh really? Because my friend did not only tell me- she told Nibbles and without realising she was making a topic about one particular person because my friend never mentioned the name - she just said a person had made her cry, i'm not going to get into it all.

 

When did I EVER announce it to the forum?! 

 

I'm reporting you because this can't continue, I hope you will just be warned and you will stop - but if it happens 3 times you're banned.

Please do. I'm shaking in my proverbial pants right now. Editing it out your comments doesn't change the consequences of what you did.

 

More dog piling it seems. It was bad then and it's bad now.

 

http://hamsterhideout.com/forum/topic/171799-backlash/

 

It's funny as I read back through this how ironic all of that was. It's probably the nature of a forum with predominately children but still.

 

Getting backlash online isn't a good feeling and certainly not the right way to welcome someone to HHF.

A member (I am not naming) I have seen recently said they cried because of the backlash they got.

And as respectful HHF members, we should be using kind tones and words.

Before you post a comment (correcting someone, or something else.), Make sure if you were the receiver - you wouldn't feel hurt and/or sad. I think all of us should work on it, and as someone who has received backlash - its not a good feeling. Lets make sure to keep being kind and nice to everyone on the forum(s)!

Continue being kind!



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Posted 10 June 2022 - 04:55 AM

Trying to do what again?

Oh really? Because my friend did not only tell me- she told Nibbles and without realising she was making a topic about one particular person because my friend never mentioned the name - she just said a person had made her cry, i'm not going to get into it all.

When did I EVER announce it to the forum?!

I'm reporting you because this can't continue, I hope you will just be warned and you will stop - but if it happens 3 times you're banned.

I'm incredibly hurt by everything you have said to me and everyone else, particularly the post I have quoted, this isn't like you. To think that people have mistaken me as a person who bullies and controls members... I don't know how I can live being an active member on here with people who think that about me. I really do expect an apology, to me and MK we tried to help but all we got was backlash from you. I'm sorry if I've been rude to you - but I really don't see how I can live with people who think this about me.

Yes, now imagine that half a dozen different people said bad things about you today. That you spent most of your day defend yourself against an offhanded comment to which the person who received states she doesn't even care. (she probably does or you all wouldn't have jumped me but that's neither here nor there)

You have most definitely been rude to me and me reminding you of your past is rude of me, but my goodness it's time to let this go.

If you really wanted to help me, you wouldn't jump down my throat and start telling me what I should and shouldn't say. You wouldn't whisper in other mediums (PMs, Slack, Discord, whatever) about people on here and gossip about them.

If you want we can talk it out in PMs and I will let you let me have it. You can get it all off your chest. I will listen and talk calmly with you. But what I will not do is be a punching bag on a hamster forum.

It could have stopped many times at any point in this conversation, but each person wanted to give their two cents about my kid comment. Each one of you is just as responsible as I am for continuing it. At this point, I'm just going to defend myself and consequences be dammed (I know I misspelled it).

Edited by Kikya, 10 June 2022 - 05:54 AM.

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Posted 10 June 2022 - 10:56 AM

Yes, now imagine that half a dozen different people said bad things about you today. That you spent most of your day defend yourself against an offhanded comment to which the person who received states she doesn't even care. (she probably does or you all wouldn't have jumped me but that's neither here nor there)

You have most definitely been rude to me and me reminding you of your past is rude of me, but my goodness it's time to let this go.

If you really wanted to help me, you wouldn't jump down my throat and start telling me what I should and shouldn't say. You wouldn't whisper in other mediums (PMs, Slack, Discord, whatever) about people on here and gossip about them.

If you want we can talk it out in PMs and I will let you let me have it. You can get it all off your chest. I will listen and talk calmly with you. But what I will not do is be a punching bag on a hamster forum.

It could have stopped many times at any point in this conversation, but each person wanted to give their two cents about my kid comment. Each one of you is just as responsible as I am for continuing it. At this point, I'm just going to defend myself and consequences be dammed (I know I misspelled it).

 

Members of HH <333

 

I can't help but agree with a lot of Kikya's post right here ^^^. 

 

We have good intentions, I'm sure. We want to protect our friends on here because we're a close-knit community of nerdy hamster lovers who have forged bonds that have lasted years. 

 

But this is getting to be too much. I for one am exhausted, and I'm not even on the receiving end of many comments/posts. We're overloading the forum with negativity and arguments that aren't getting anywhere. Sometimes people have to agree to disagree and move on. 

 

Yeah, some got trash thrown around. And trust me, I want to resolve the issue as best I can by changing the minds of people I disagree with. But that's not always going to happen, so for now, let's just continue on with our days and go past this. Many, many of the posts on here were very well worded, and in my opinion, some excellent points were made, from both sides of the battlefield. I'm not going to get into them now because I'm tired, but I'm sure a little analysis can help y'all figure out what I mean. If you've been following along, you can probably guess. 

 

Besides, as I said earlier, you catch more flies with honey that vinegar. It's a famous saying for a reason. Since when were we ever going to change peoples' minds by just outright attacking them? And no, not everyone is innocent, everyone who posted here does has some responsibility for this conversation continuing on this long and the turns it's taken. I'm not calling anyone out in particular, because this is a generalization, and includes myself. 

 

This must be so tiring to deal with. One person who doesn't want to change her mind because of personal beliefs/goals engaged in an argument with a literal community of dozens of members who are all simultaneously trying to protect a couple friends. That's a lot to tackle when it's all abruptly thrown at you on a Thursday morning. 

 

We have to just let it go. I believe some PMs have already been sent out by some members, but don't quote me on that because I really don't know. They are PMs after all. 

 

No, we don't have to agree. But. We have to let it go because we aren't going to get anywhere like this. 

 

To Kikya specifically, like I said, I agree with a lot of your points, although not all of them, and I hope that we as a community can find peace with each other <3333 This is the basis of agree to disagree. Peace can't always be found through (I'm being dramatic here, but bare with me please) war. Sometimes peace can only be found through mutual acceptance of others' flaws, beliefs, moral standings, etc. That's not just directed at you, though, at myself and everyone else here. We all have to just move on, like you've said and requested. 

 

Best regards, hippo <333

 

EDIT: sob, it censored "c-r-a-p" and i had to fix it q.q


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Posted 10 June 2022 - 04:25 PM

I agree here, it's a good place to stop <33

 

I guess I got mad when people started bringing up the past, saying things that didn't need to be said, also when people said stuff about that just wasn't true. I think this went a bit too far and a bit too personal as well.

 

Let's forget and be friends again :heartbeat:


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Posted 02 July 2022 - 11:13 PM

I would say they are optional, but I would not use them as a main diet because they could be harmful.
I personally use Mazuri rat and mouse diet with my main food mix ( Only a couple pieces when I Scatter feed 3 times a week)

Lab blocks are usually used as a added crude protein count in a hamsters food diet. So if your diet is already at the needed crude protein amount I would avoid giving lab blocks, If your food mix is under the crude protein amount I would give no more than 2 (dwarf/robo/Chinese) and no more than 3 (syrian).

Hopefully this helps, but always do research before feeding any lab blocks to your food mix.