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#31 Binder

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Posted 07 June 2022 - 09:45 AM

What politics are you speaking of? I don't recall mentioning any political figure, any political run, candidate or anything related to politics? I think you are confusing politics for ethics.

and if that is your lord and savior, I think you should go back to talking with your actual mom and try to work on some issues. I realize that you are a kid and you like to cling to various adults for validation but therapy should be your first priority. For anyone, who thinks this is harsh, you haven't talked much to Bindie. Been there, done that, got the weird t shirt.

No, it's not actually funny, it's just silly but that is what I would expect from a silly girl.



1: vaccines themselves are not political, but different opinions on them are associated with different party’s in the US, and the way you worded your opinion can definitely be seen as political.

2: is your only defence against the actual point of that message that I cling for adult validation? Which isn’t even true? And that I was just making a silly joke?

3: I am the silliest girl, but everyone else is laughing so..




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Posted 07 June 2022 - 09:50 AM

and if that is your lord and savior, I think you should go back to talking with your actual mom and try to work on some issues. I realize that you are a kid and you like to cling to various adult/older teens for validation but therapy should be your first priority. For anyone, who thinks this is harsh, you haven't talked much to Bindie. Been there, done that, got the weird t shirt.
 


Look, I don’t know what your relationship is to Bindi or what your interactions have been like, but this is not an appropriate response in the slightest. Telling someone (especially a minor and especially on a public forum) that they need therapy and should work on their “issues” with their mom is not okay, regardless of what they’ve said to you previously. You’re the adult in this situation; you should be taking the high road.
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Posted 07 June 2022 - 09:52 AM

1: vaccines themselves are not political, but different opinions on them are associated with different party’s in the US, and the way you worded your opinion can definitely be seen as political.

2: is your only defence against the actual point of that message that I cling for adult validation? Which isn’t even true? And that I was just making a silly joke?

3: I am the silliest girl, but everyone else is laughing so..

Well, then silly girl, you should be chiding someone else because I never said or mentioned vaccines. I didn't even bring them up. All I said was injecting yourself with anything is not the way nature does things. You literally could not go out in nature and inject yourself with a virus. That's not how it works.

 

No that's my defense against you, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.



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Posted 07 June 2022 - 09:54 AM

Actually, it's fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on you fool me three times hold up, rewind, that ain't even possible nah that's a joke yeah that's that's a that's joke yeah!

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Posted 07 June 2022 - 09:54 AM

Look, I don’t know what your relationship is to Bindi or what your interactions have been like, but this is not an appropriate response in the slightest. Telling someone (especially a minor and especially on a public forum) that they need therapy and should work on their “issues” with their mom is not okay, regardless of what they’ve said to you previously. You’re the adult in this situation; you should be taking the high road.

You certainly don't know anything about it and I would ask that you stay out of it. I don't even want to be talking about it but I also need her to stay away from me. If that means reminding her of what she does, then I will.



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Posted 07 June 2022 - 09:56 AM

You certainly don't know anything about it and I would ask that you stay out of it. I don't even want to be talking about it but I also need her to stay away from me. If that means reminding her of what she does, then I will.


You are an adult. She is a teenager. There is no excuse for what you said. If you wanted others to stay out of it, then perhaps you shouldn’t have posted on a public forum for everyone to see.
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Posted 07 June 2022 - 09:57 AM

You certainly don't know anything about it and I would ask that you stay out of it. I don't even want to be talking about it but I also need her to stay away from me. If that means reminding her of what she does, then I will.



I’m guessing the stuff you’re referring to is over a year old, I have worked on bettering myself as a human. I ask that you give me a fresh start, even after all the things I’ve said.
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Posted 07 June 2022 - 09:58 AM

I have to say as a Brit I am enjoying the tea *sip*

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Posted 07 June 2022 - 09:58 AM

You are an adult. She is a teenager. There is no excuse for what you said. If you wanted others to stay out of it, then perhaps you shouldn’t have posted on a public forum for everyone to see.

Remy, I really don't care what you think about it. I am going to do what I need to do to protect myself from someone who is manipulative. I suggest you move on, because anything else you say is falling on deaf ears.



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Posted 07 June 2022 - 10:01 AM

I’m guessing the stuff you’re referring to is over a year old, I have worked on bettering myself as a human. I ask that you give me a fresh start, even after all the things I’ve said.

You can get a fresh start when you start acting like an adult. Until then, please don't. This is another one of your tactics, and I don't need a magic eight ball to see it.



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Posted 07 June 2022 - 10:02 AM

You can get a fresh start when you start acting like an adult. Until then, please don't. This is another one of your tactics, and I don't need a magic eight ball to see it.



I was debating with you and also teasing you? And you returned the teasing? I don’t understand what’s so wrong with that. We were just having fun. What would you like me to do to fix it

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Posted 07 June 2022 - 10:08 AM

I removed my comment, though I rarely do because I feel like erasing comments is trying to hide something. Your buddy quoted me though so if you care, then have him remove it.

 

I am not hiding what I said because I'm embarrassed by it or anything like that but just to stop this conversation.

 

I don't want anything except to talk about hamsters.



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Posted 07 June 2022 - 10:10 AM

I removed my comment, though I rarely do because I feel like erasing comments is trying to hide something. Your buddy quoted me though so if you care, then have him remove it.
 
I am not hiding what I said because I'm embarrassed by it or anything like that but just to stop this conversation.
 
I don't want anything except to talk about hamsters.



Okay, but seriously. Dm me to talk it out, I want to be on good terms with you.

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Posted 07 June 2022 - 05:54 PM

Read the wrong post, nvm!

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Posted 09 June 2022 - 02:16 AM

 

I think if I were ever to swap back to commercial mixes I wouldn't use pellets. They're just really not that necessary when freeze-dried animal proteins do so much better at boosting protein and tend to be much more appetizing anyways.

 

For homemade mixes, though, I strongly agree with Lillias's argument, I really don't like suggesting using a homemade mix without commercial supplementation. Put honestly I really hate this idea that mother nature has it in good for us...if that were the case things like radiation that are naturally toxic wouldn't exist. (Obviously mother nature is a metaphor...anyways) We take what she offers and tweak it to our needs.

Life is naturally guided to continue the species. Every creature on earth including viruses have a will to live and procreate. I'm always confused by people that say nature is not as good as manmade for us but everything we do is taken from nature, everything we know is taken from nature, man continually tries to mimic nature and fails, with many times major unintended consequences.

 

 

Like, yeah, literally injecting smallpox into yourself might make you immune to it, but I'd much rather get the lab modified vaccine, you know?

Nowhere in nature does one inject themselves with anything. You would contract it through your bodies natural filters and then your body would fight it off. Injection can be extremely dangerous because it bypasses all your bodies natural defenses and alarm systems. If you inject yourself with anything, it's from a lab and as many studies have shown, it's not nearly as effective or long lasting as natural immunity.

 

We only know so much, hence why we look to nature so often since evolution did a pretty great job with that, but from our understanding of our world we can also see what's wrong with it and how we can improve it.

What makes you think humans are that smart that they can improve on nature? When many times, things have ended up worse than they started. Most of the most innovative things we have done are by copying the world around us. Many of our skyscrapers and massive accomplishments we have because we mimic a natural form. Yes we are blessed with a form of creative intelligence but more times than not that creativity ends in failure. Only once in a great while do those innovations end in a net positive.

 

That's how I see pellets: as the ideal blend of nutrients to sustain life, specifically tested to be a sole source of nutrients to sustain a healthy animal. A tweaked version of their natural dietary needs. Personally I'm of the belief artificial supplements work (sorry, no one is going to change my mind on that, just putting it out there), but in any case that doesn't really matter since all I care about is a healthy pet. Can they live for 2-3 years on a pellet and avoid nutritional deficiencies? Great! That sounds good enough for me.

How do you know what the ideal blend is? Most lab animals never live past a single generation because they are killed off for scientific experiment. Mother Nature has thousands of generations on it's resume. The major issue with lab made supplements, is it will literally create deficiencies after long term use. You cannot separate things like Vitamin E from the cholesterol the body needs to process it. Taking massive iron pills only works for about a month until your copper and zinc stores run out, then you are just creating a toxic pool of heavy metals in your liver. You can take all the Vitamin D you want but without the sun and cholesterol to process it, it's never going to do anything. The only way to get these things in balance is to eat high quality foods. Also, blood serum levels does not equal your body's receptors’ ability absorb those free floating minerals. There are much more expensive testing that can be done to find out, for example, your active vitamin B12 levels, but those aren't going to be done on lab animals.

 

Trust me, I really love the idea of feeding a natural diet. I don't think it's necessarily nutritionally superior, but for variety's sake it's just so much more enriching. But, like Lillias said, I just don't think homemade mix creators really have the money or resources to get constant testing of our mixes, so I'd prefer to outsource that to a company that does. It just puts a lot less pressure on the maker in general I think. :)

People outsource a lot of personal responsibility to companies and look where that's gotten us. Obesity rates through the roof, with tons of deficiencies that conveniently you have to buy more supplements to "fix". Don't hand your health or your animals' health over to a company that faces zero repercussions for selling you a mediocre product. As long as they don't tell you it does something it doesn't, they can sell you pretty much anything. Most companies are LLCs, meaning the companies themselves have very limited personal responsibility for what they do. They can bankrupt the company and then go about their day and start up a new company the next. I'm not trying to pick on you with this but that's pretty concerning that you are one of the most trusted people on this site and a lot people buy your mix, but you don't even have faith in your own product. To stand by it and say if there's a problem, I'll fix it, instead of saying, if there is a problem, I warned you. It may be a lot less pressure for you, but what about your customers? Unfortunately, that's a bigger problem with most companies and it's why we have all problems we do.

 

You're a kid making money on the side selling hamster food, I get it, it's not the end of the world but you should think about what kind of future you want to live in.

 

 

So you'd rather get polio, risking being severely crippled and put in an iron lung, than getting a little stab with some chemicals that has literally caused polio to become nearly eradicated? Doesn't that seem the slightest bit effective? /offtopicrant

 

I've never claimed my mixes are complete on their own, nor have I refused to fix that "problem." Should they be balanced according to my research? Yes. Do I have anecdotal evidence to suggest they might be complete? Yes. I have over 5,000 sales and not a single person has contacted me with concerns of malnutrition. That's why I'm semi-comfortable with people feeding my mix on its own. Would I outright suggest feeding my mixes alone? No. I just don't have the empirical evidence I feel I need to conclusively state that. Of course, science is never 100% conclusive (that's kind of the point), but I literally have nothing but anecdotal evidence on my hands and personally I don't feel comfortable just going off of that. You can be fine with that, I'm not in charge of what you do, I'm just saying I'm not comfortable with that. A lot of pet care is up to the owner's preferences, and I have no right to force a certain form of care down someone's throat, especially when there's so much debate over the topic. People can have personal opinions and I try not and force everyone to abide by mine. I just make light suggestions based on my own research. :)

As for fixing the problem, I don't know what more I can fix besides running my own experiment to ensure my mix is fine according to my standards. This may seem a bit insane, but I don't have the time or resources to house hundreds of hamsters and do my own experimentation. It's not a lack of research that's the issue with my mix, it's the lack of data available to me to allow me personally to say "yes, my mix is fine on its own."

 

And, please, do not call me a kid. I am a legal adult. I know we've had this conversation before but I would really prefer if you didn't call me that. It feels really demeaning to my argument.

 

Also, I'm also not planning on making this a career lol...so don't worry about my future with the business. That's for me to worry about.


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