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Posted 04 September 2021 - 05:20 AM

Heyy! 

So, my mom has recently told me I can get another small pet after Zoey... ya know.. passes away

and I was curious what would work best for me? 

Of course, some sort of dwarf species of hamster is on my list (definetly not syrian)

I have a 110 qt bin cage, carefresh, KCC, hay, aspen, and sand.  Of course plenty of chew toys and natural items.

Would this work for gerbils?

My friend has a pair and so does her brother, and I've kinda fallen in love with them.

If not gerbils, cause im not sure if they can chew thru, what about a pair/trio of female mice?

 

I also have a ~330 sq inch cage with a 4-5 inch deep base, and the top half is barred (I could add in a level, or I couldn't its up to me) along with I could buy a few more hanging toys- would this work for a male mouse? My only issue is the smell of them lol

 

My parents have said no to fish/shrimp/snails so I'm thinking more along the lines of small pets (that can live in the enclosures I already have, they won't let me build any more which is fine) 

So what can live in what I have? 

Thanks! :)


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Posted 04 September 2021 - 05:47 AM

definitely no for the gerbils and the bin. they will chew their way to escape. a trio of mice could work..? I think, maybe a male mouse in the bin? what about another ham?



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Posted 04 September 2021 - 05:56 AM

Is the bin smooth inside, or does it bits sticking out which gerbils could start chewing? What are the dimensions? A bin that's smooth inside can work for gerbils. I have a bin cage I use as a travel or hospital cage for gerbils. It has a lid which has no plastic exposed internally so they can't chew that, although if the bin is tall enough they also shouldn't be able to chew the lid.



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Posted 04 September 2021 - 07:08 AM

I wouldn’t put a lone male in the smaller cage. While it’s only one, they need a ton of enrichment and ideally more bedding. The bin may be good for a trio of female mice, or gerbils if the inside is smooth.

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Posted 04 September 2021 - 10:13 AM

definitely no for the gerbils and the bin. they will chew their way to escape. a trio of mice could work..? I think, maybe a male mouse in the bin? what about another ham?

Thanks! Yes, another hamster (dwarf, for sure not syrian) is my sort of fall-back option if other pets won't work.

 

Is the bin smooth inside, or does it bits sticking out which gerbils could start chewing? What are the dimensions? A bin that's smooth inside can work for gerbils. I have a bin cage I use as a travel or hospital cage for gerbils. It has a lid which has no plastic exposed internally so they can't chew that, although if the bin is tall enough they also shouldn't be able to chew the lid.

It's smooth (except for the lid). The dimensions are only about 31x17 (inches) so I wasn't sure about sizing, however my friends have two pairs happily living in cages ranging from 400-500 sq inches. It's very smooth except for one corner where it juts out about a mm but i know even that they can probably chew. The height is the main reason I'd be hesitant, as it's only 13 inches tall.

 

I wouldn’t put a lone male in the smaller cage. While it’s only one, they need a ton of enrichment and ideally more bedding. The bin may be good for a trio of female mice, or gerbils if the inside is smooth.

Ok, thank you!!

 

 

Does anyone have any other ideas for a bin cage or the other cage?


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Posted 04 September 2021 - 03:13 PM

Hey, so I did just write a reply stating my opinions on male mice, female mice and another pet. However... HH just lost it all, so I will type it up again a bit later on, I can’t do it now since I don’t have enough time, but I just wanted to let you know. Sorry for the inconvenience!
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Posted 04 September 2021 - 09:10 PM

I think the bin is too low. Gerbils need at least 8-10 inches of bedding, plus space on top for them to stretch up (otherwise they get really claustrophobic), and ideally an 11-12 wheel is a good addition. If you have a very long enclosure, you can often get away with it being less tall, because you can slope the bedding and have a deep end and a shallow end. Gerbils like to dig long burrows, so they need a continuous length of deep bedding of at least about 28 inches, which means in a bin that's only 31 inches, you can't divide it into a deep and shallow end. There wouldn't be enough burrowing space. In terms of the floor space, 31x17 inches is on the small side for gerbils but it's workable if there is enough height, but unfortunately there isn't in this bin.


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Posted 05 September 2021 - 02:41 AM

I agree with LBD that housing an intact male mouse in the small enclosure may not be the best idea, due to the amount of enrichment and interaction they require to thrive. Because although they can not be housed together they are still social animals and so require much more to do to be occupied.

A trio of females could work in the bin but there are a few things I would like to point out:

-Providing ventilation on the sides as well as the top would be a good if possible, due to their delicate respiratory systems and the danger of ammonia build up without sufficient ventilation. In addition, it would make it easier to provide more enrichment that can be attached to the sides.

- The bin may be too small when it comes to keeping an established or rolling group. It’s alright for a trio I would say, however since female mice shouldn’t be housed alone, it is often advised to introduce new mice to the group periodically. This could then leave you with 5-6 mice for a period of time, which in that size bin isn’t ideal. One because of lack of space for multiple wheels and larger hides etc. And two due to the higher risks of ammonia build ups and in turn URIs.

- Also, mice require their enclosures to be PACKED which some people may find difficult in a bin/tank style cage. oDrifted’s rule of thumb is “you shouldn’t be able to see the substrate when looking from directly above”. Therefore, not only should the ground level be taken advantage of and crammed with enrichment the higher should also be used to the same amount. Mice are great and agile climbers and this shouldn’t be compromised. It doesn’t have to be expensive though, my mice used to absolutely love egg boxes! For shredding, sleeping in, making holes to poke out of and climbing on.

However, there is one thing I can’t stress enough if you are considering mice make sure that you have a vet’s fund at hand. Mice are so fragile and prone to a whole host of illness and health problems, particularly in America where there is the whole live feeding trade. Most mice will require veterinary treatment at some point in their lives and it won’t necessarily be cheap. Not only does a vet’s fund mean you are prepared but it can save a lot of stress because mice can go downhill very very quickly.

As for another pet, this isn’t a rodent but what about millipedes? Bins are great enclosures for them and your size could house a colony of smaller millipedes or a few of a larger species (or species [plural] that can live together). Some may need a source of heat but that can be provided though a heat mat attached to the side of the enclosure (NOT the bottom). I find them very interesting, though I understand they aren’t for everyone!

Hope this helps a little! :)

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Posted 05 September 2021 - 04:12 AM

I think the bin is too low. Gerbils need at least 8-10 inches of bedding, plus space on top for them to stretch up (otherwise they get really claustrophobic), and ideally an 11-12 wheel is a good addition. If you have a very long enclosure, you can often get away with it being less tall, because you can slope the bedding and have a deep end and a shallow end. Gerbils like to dig long burrows, so they need a continuous length of deep bedding of at least about 28 inches, which means in a bin that's only 31 inches, you can't divide it into a deep and shallow end. There wouldn't be enough burrowing space. In terms of the floor space, 31x17 inches is on the small side for gerbils but it's workable if there is enough height, but unfortunately there isn't in this bin.

Alright, thank you! I figured it might be a bit low.

 

I agree with LBD that housing an intact male mouse in the small enclosure may not be the best idea, due to the amount of enrichment and interaction they require to thrive. Because although they can not be housed together they are still social animals and so require much more to do to be occupied.

A trio of females could work in the bin but there are a few things I would like to point out:

-Providing ventilation on the sides as well as the top would be a good if possible, due to their delicate respiratory systems and the danger of ammonia build up without sufficient ventilation. In addition, it would make it easier to provide more enrichment that can be attached to the sides.

- The bin may be too small when it comes to keeping an established or rolling group. It’s alright for a trio I would say, however since female mice shouldn’t be housed alone, it is often advised to introduce new mice to the group periodically. This could then leave you with 5-6 mice for a period of time, which in that size bin isn’t ideal. One because of lack of space for multiple wheels and larger hides etc. And two due to the higher risks of ammonia build ups and in turn URIs.

- Also, mice require their enclosures to be PACKED which some people may find difficult in a bin/tank style cage. oDrifted’s rule of thumb is “you shouldn’t be able to see the substrate when looking from directly above”. Therefore, not only should the ground level be taken advantage of and crammed with enrichment the higher should also be used to the same amount. Mice are great and agile climbers and this shouldn’t be compromised. It doesn’t have to be expensive though, my mice used to absolutely love egg boxes! For shredding, sleeping in, making holes to poke out of and climbing on.

However, there is one thing I can’t stress enough if you are considering mice make sure that you have a vet’s fund at hand. Mice are so fragile and prone to a whole host of illness and health problems, particularly in America where there is the whole live feeding trade. Most mice will require veterinary treatment at some point in their lives and it won’t necessarily be cheap. Not only does a vet’s fund mean you are prepared but it can save a lot of stress because mice can go downhill very very quickly.

As for another pet, this isn’t a rodent but what about millipedes? Bins are great enclosures for them and your size could house a colony of smaller millipedes or a few of a larger species (or species [plural] that can live together). Some may need a source of heat but that can be provided though a heat may attached to the side of the enclosure (NOT the bottom). I find them very interesting, though I understand they aren’t for everyone!

Hope this helps a little! :)

This was really helpful! Thank you! I didn't think a ton about ventilation in the bin, or the vet fund (I have a small job of pet-sitting but it only makes me about $250-300 a year) so maybe mice (or gerbils lol) aren't the best for me if I can't make a larger/better ventilated enclosure haha.  Ooh, millipedes would be a super interesting pet! I'll have to research them more!! 


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