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[4 Hamsters]

I recently came across someone called Pickle's Pets who bought a hairless hamster from an unethical breeder. In the comment down below, a lot of people said they wanted one too. This saddens me as hairless hamsters are inhumanely bred and what makes it worse is that a lot of her viewers thought she was "adopting" the hairless hamster! By buying from a breeder, Pickle's Pets not only supported a backyard breeder, but technically gave the idea that hairless hamsters are great pets and don't have any issues which couldn't be further away from the truth. I just wanted to ask this forum's opinion of hairless hamsters and how can we educate more people online to not buy them? Yes, 1/3 of the people said that she shouldn't have gotten a hairless hamster, but it still saddens me so many more wanted one themselves and/or thought the hamster was cute and the owner did nothing wrong. After watching some more of her videos (on guest so I don't give her views), she apparently said that she was too far away from any shelters near her, yet she drove 4 hours to get an unethically bred one! 

 

Here's my opinion of Pickle's Pets and Hairless hamsters

Hairless hamsters are unethically bred and miss out on a lot of enrichment. They cannot have natural cages and are forced to suffer. Plus, doesn't a hamster look better with fur anyways?

Pickle's Pets isn't a channel I would like to support. From some of the comments I saw, she has been getting some pets and rehoming them and also hoards some animals. I'm not sure if that is true or not, but Pickle's pets isn't a youtube channel I would support.

 

Please let me know your thoughts!

[Maplesyrup]

I recently came across someone called Pickle's Pets who bought a hairless hamster from an unethical breeder. In the comment down below, a lot of people said they wanted one too. This saddens me as hairless hamsters are inhumanely bred and what makes it worse is that a lot of her viewers thought she was "adopting" the hairless hamster! By buying from a breeder, Pickle's Pets not only supported a backyard breeder, but technically gave the idea that hairless hamsters are great pets and don't have any issues which couldn't be further away from the truth. I just wanted to ask this forum's opinion of hairless hamsters and how can we educate more people online to not buy them? Yes, 1/3 of the people said that she shouldn't have gotten a hairless hamster, but it still saddens me so many more wanted one themselves and/or thought the hamster was cute and the owner did nothing wrong. After watching some more of her videos (on guest so I don't give her views), she apparently said that she was too far away from any shelters near her, yet she drove 4 hours to get an unethically bred one! 

 

Here's my opinion of Pickle's Pets and Hairless hamsters

Hairless hamsters are unethically bred and miss out on a lot of enrichment. They cannot have natural cages and are forced to suffer. Plus, doesn't a hamster look better with fur anyways?

Pickle's Pets isn't a channel I would like to support. From some of the comments I saw, she has been getting some pets and rehoming them and also hoards some animals. I'm not sure if that is true or not, but Pickle's pets isn't a youtube channel I would support.

 

Please let me know your thoughts!

Oh, I thought it was a genetic mutation or something they were naturally born with...interesting...I personally think hairless hamsters look cute though. 

Edited by Maplesyrup, 16 March 2021 - 10:31 AM.

[Tater]

Oh, I thought it was a genetic mutation or something they were naturally born with...why are you saying that hamsters look better with fur? That's your opinion but it sounds like you dislike hairless hamsters just for their looks. I personally think they look cute.

I think what 4 Hamsters is saying is that the youtuber, to my understanding, bought a hairless hamster from a breeder. An ethical breeder shouldn't be breeding hairless hamsters because hairless hams are unethical to breed. It causes a lot of issues which is why no one should do it. Sure I think they are cute, but I will never buy one. Adopt one sure, that can't be helped. But buying one imo is honestly worse than buying a 'normal' fur ham from an unethical breeder.

It's just unethical to breed hairless hamsters and most other hairless pocket pets. Here's an HH post explaining a bit more: http://hamsterhideout.com/forum/topic/134456-is-breeding-for-or-wanting-hairless-hamstersrodentsanimals-considered-animal-cruelty/?p=1465853

Edited by Tater, 16 March 2021 - 10:21 AM.

[saige]

Oh, I thought it was a genetic mutation or something they were naturally born with...interesting...I personally think hairless hamsters look cute though. Just because they don't have fur doesn't mean you should treat them any differently from hamsters with fur.

I don’t think they meant bad, just forgot to mention. BUT THEY ARE SO CUTE <33333

[Maplesyrup]

I don’t think they meant bad, just forgot to mention. BUT THEY ARE SO CUTE <33333

 

 

 

[saige]

 

 

 

AWWWWWWW
If ones up for adoption, I’m taking it. No questions asked

[lil BIG dwarf]

I LOVE hairless hamsters, but they dont deserve hairlessness. Its not right.

[CactusBert]

Just wanted to add that a topic like this has been made before, but without directly mentioning the YouTuber.

Edit: oh lol tater beat me to it

Edited by CactusBert, 16 March 2021 - 11:27 AM.

[nebit]

It's just unethical to breed hairless hamsters and most other hairless pocket pets. Here's an HH post explaining a bit more: http://hamsterhideout.com/forum/topic/134456-is-breeding-for-or-wanting-hairless-hamstersrodentsanimals-considered-animal-cruelty/?p=1465853

That's not actually what I said. I said ethical breeding of hairless hamsters is difficult and rare, not that it is inherently unethical.

 

 

Hairless hamsters are unethically bred and miss out on a lot of enrichment. They cannot have natural cages and are forced to suffer. Plus, doesn't a hamster look better with fur anyways?

 

I don't follow youtubers and we don't critique the care of people who are not here/have not asked for it. However, Hairless hamsters can absolutely live in natural cages given they are fitted with a few adaptations for their needs. They are not inherently "forced to suffer" simply by lacking hair. They can live long fulfilling lives with proper care adaptations.

Oh, I thought it was a genetic mutation or something they were naturally born with...interesting...I personally think hairless hamsters look cute though. 

It is a genetic mutation, and like most genetic mutations, it can be intentionally bred for. The ancestors of golden retrievers for instance don't "naturally" have long golden hair and floppy ears- they've been specifically bred for those mutations. Hairless hamsters can very rarely occur spontaneously- most new colors/coats/traits are due to spontaneous mutation, but in the pet trade, they are being bred with the intention of creating hairless hamsters.

[Tater]

That's not actually what I said. I said ethical breeding of hairless hamsters is difficult and rare, not that it is inherently unethical.

Sorry I thought I linked the topic as a whole not just your post! And I more of meant explaining the deal with hairless hams, not just why it is considered unethical There was also smth else I thought I linked from a German website- I guess it didn't save..?

Edited by Tater, 16 March 2021 - 11:41 AM.

[IsAnyoneThere]

I recently came across someone called xxxxxxxxxxxxxx who bought a hairless hamster from an unethical breeder. In the comment down below, a lot of people said they wanted one too. This saddens me as hairless hamsters are inhumanely bred and what makes it worse is that a lot of her viewers thought she was "adopting" the hairless hamster! By buying from a breeder, xxxxxxxxxx not only supported a backyard breeder, but technically gave the idea that hairless hamsters are great pets and don't have any issues which couldn't be further away from the truth. I just wanted to ask this forum's opinion of hairless hamsters and how can we educate more people online to not buy them? Yes, 1/3 of the people said that she shouldn't have gotten a hairless hamster, but it still saddens me so many more wanted one themselves and/or thought the hamster was cute and the owner did nothing wrong. After watching some more of her videos (on guest so I don't give her views), she apparently said that she was too far away from any shelters near her, yet she drove 4 hours to get an unethically bred one! 

 

Here's my opinion of xxxxxxxxxx and Hairless hamsters

Hairless hamsters are unethically bred and miss out on a lot of enrichment. They cannot have natural cages and are forced to suffer. Plus, doesn't a hamster look better with fur anyways?

Pickle's Pets isn't a channel I would like to support. From some of the comments I saw, she has been getting some pets and rehoming them and also hoards some animals. I'm not sure if that is true or not, but xxxxxxxxx isn't a youtube channel I would support.

 

Please let me know your thoughts!

 

 

My thoughts are that it's not really fair to call out a youtuber by name who isn't here to defend their actions.

 

Sorry, just my take on it; they're not here, you're just calling for people to talk trash about them without them knowing. Youtubers are people too, y'know? Sure, there are some that post truly awful videos with actual animal abuse, but this person just bought a hamster (many people buy hamsters. This one happened to be hairless). Doesn't seem right somehow to make a whole topic centred on a person.

[Pippapotamus]

There's a topic on this specific case from last summer: http://hamsterhideout.com/forum/topic/156628-intentional-breeding-of-hairless-hamsters

[wyataneguizaba]

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Edited by wyataneguizaba, 12 April 2022 - 07:11 PM.