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#76 Jaybee

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Posted 15 January 2011 - 10:58 AM

so does kaytee forti diet have ethoxyquin? cuz i have been using it for 2 months and my hamsters like it. they are very picky so i dont know wat to change it to. I have another bag left and should i use it?


look at the ingredients on the side of the bag. it will tell you if it's in there or not.




#77 hammielover13

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Posted 07 February 2011 - 01:07 PM

does vitakraft contain it?

#78 Darkally

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Posted 07 February 2011 - 01:15 PM

does vitakraft contain it?


I did a quick search and this is what I found
http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2754961&utm_source=googleproduct&utm_campaign=5056840&utm_medium=cse&mr:trackingCode=FFDD2C64-C881-DE11-B712-001422107090&mr:referralID=NA#prodTab1


Vitakraft® Menu for Hamsters is a premium, enriched daily diet that is specially formulated to meet the nutritional needs of hamsters. Nutrition that your hamster would find in his natural environment, Vitakraft Menu Includes a blend of vegetables, nuts, sunflower seeds and wholesome grains along with appropriate levels of vitamins. Also contains valuable vegetable protein and important nutrients and vitamins to protect your pet's health.

Ingredients: Alfalfa meal, oats, oat bran, oat flakes, coarse sunflower seed meal, wheat bran, corn, corn gluten, sugar beet molasses, pea flakes, corn flakes, wheat, diced dehydrated carrots, calcium carbonate, coarse rape seed meal, coarse soybean meal, corn bran, lecithin, artificial and natural coloring, vitamin A acetate, cholecalciferole, a-tocopherol acetate, ascorbic acid, thiamine mononitrate, riboflavin-5-phosphate, pyridoxine hydrochloride, vitamin B12, menadione sodium bisulfite complex, folic acid, d-calcium pantothenate, choline chloride, d-biotin, niacin, iron oxide, manganous oxide, zinc sulfate, copper sulfate, calcium iodate, sodium selenite, cobalt sulfate.

Guaranteed Analysis:
Crude protein (min.) 13.6%
Crude fat (min.) 2.8%
Crude fiber (max.) 13.0%
Moisture (max.) 11.0%

Minerals:
Copper (min.) 7ppm

Vitamins:
Vitamin A 2,830 IU/lb
Vitamin D (min) 322 IU/lb
Vitamin E (min) 11 IU/lb
Ascorbic Acid (min) 20.7 mg/lb
Vitamin B1 (min) 1.7 mg/lb
Vitamin B2 (min) 2.1 mg/b
Vitamin B6 (min) 1.2 mg/lb
Vitamin B12 (min) 3.7 mg/lb

Size: 2.2lb bag.


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I did not see it anywhere in there unless it goes by another name.

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ALSO

I just discovered something by clicking into the website that the OP provides..I think perchance they have the numbers mixed around? ( and info as well?)



"Ethoxyquin is an antioxidant. Antioxidants interfere with the process known as "spoilage." Antioxidants also interfere with the process known as "mutation," as used when speaking of cancer.

Ethoxyquin is used as a preservative in both human- and animal-grade foods. The FDA allows ethoxyquin levels of up to 100ppm in human-grade foods and up to 150ppm in animal-grade foods. In human foods, ethoxyquin is most often found on fresh fruits, in spices, and in eggs and meat.

Ethoxyquin is currently being investigated for its cancer fighting properties. In particular, ethoxyquin in the rat diet has been found to prevent liver cancer caused by aflatoxin. Aflatoxin is a common, naturally occurring carcinogen found in foods, most notably in corn, but also in many other grains, nuts, and seeds. Rats are the species most vulnerable to the cancer causing effects of aflatoxin. Ethoxyquin in the rat diet also prevents chemically initiated mammary tumors.

At FDA-allowable levels of 150ppm, ethoxyquin in the rat diet does not cause disease, cancers, or tumors. These results, originally published in a study done in 1955, have been repeatedly verified in many subsequent studies. Ethoxyquin at FDA-allowable levels of 150ppm does not cause disease, cancers or tumors in rats.

At experimental levels of 5000ppm, ethoxyquin in the rat diet prevents liver cancer caused by aflatoxin and mammary tumors caused by chemicals. At levels of 5000ppm, ethoxyquin in the rat diet also causes kidney damage in males, but not in females. Below levels of 5000ppm, ethoxyquin in the rat diet does not induce any change in histopathology and does not cause cancers or tumors. Ethoxyquin at FDA-allowable levels of 150ppm does not cause disease, cancers, or tumors in rats.

At low levels, alcohol in the human diet may protect against heart disease and cancer. At high levels, alcohol in the human diet may result in pancreatitis, cardiomyopathy, neuropathy, bleeding esophageal varices, cerebellar degeneration, and cirrhosis. One man has never had a drop of alcohol in his life, while another man of the same age, ever since he was young, has had one glass of red wine with dinner every night of his life. So who is healthier?

Lab blocks remain, far and away, the best staple diet for rats because they are nutritionally complete and rats cannot pick out only what they like. Not all rat caretakers, however, have access to lab blocks, and they use pet store rat foods, many of which do contain ethoxyquin. Ethoxyquin at FDA-allowable levels of 150ppm does not cause disease, cancers or tumors in rats. Rat caretakers should not feel they are negligent if they choose commercially packaged rat mixes or use foods which contain ethoxyquin."



It even talks about 5500 and below and whatnot

and that it prevents cancer and tumors..so now I am confused on this whole topic seeing as this is the source of the OP..but it does not say what they had quoted.


The only place it mentions any damage at all is when it says that and i quote(again):

"At levels of 5000ppm, ethoxyquin in the rat diet also causes kidney damage in males, but not in females. Below levels of 5000ppm, ethoxyquin in the rat diet does not induce any change in histopathology and does not cause cancers or tumors."



http://www.spoiledratten.com/ethoxyquin.html

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The fact that it is also used as a pesticide though it worrysome..but then again we also ingest this :/

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http://dachshealth.tripod.com/ethoxyquin.htm

but yeah it defiantly is a controversial thing for sure. Good or bad? Well look how many years it took them to figure out if eggs and milk are good or bad for us?? Lol it happens with alot of things, truthfully I am starting to believe we try and take care of our pets better than ourselves..remember to try and keep the balance folks. Without us..they (our pets) would not have owners :p

Edited by Darkally, 07 February 2011 - 01:42 PM.


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Posted 07 February 2011 - 02:14 PM

I feed Kaytee Forti-Diet seeds and didnt see that in ingredients ... Should i risk feeding it?

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Posted 07 February 2011 - 10:16 PM

A lot of kaytee mixes don't use ethoxyquin anymore but the mixes are still low quality and sugar-filled.

#81 hammielover13

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Posted 14 February 2011 - 02:37 AM

it all depends on if you want to use it or not.

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Posted 14 February 2011 - 02:48 AM

Exactly. To me it's not worth the risk especially when there are plenty of other options out there.

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Posted 24 October 2011 - 02:46 AM

Wow, I normally buy Hartz or Kaytee since I'm on the "cheaper" side. The food mix I'm using doesn't have ethoxyquin though. I'll change food brands. What are some safe brands?

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Posted 24 October 2011 - 05:59 AM

Wow, I normally buy Hartz or Kaytee since I'm on the "cheaper" side. The food mix I'm using doesn't have ethoxyquin though. I'll change food brands. What are some safe brands?

A safe [but rather expensive] brand is Hazel Hamster. If you are looking for something more low priced try Care Fresh Complete

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Posted 24 October 2011 - 06:24 AM

A safe [but rather expensive] brand is Hazel Hamster. If you are looking for something more low priced try Care Fresh Complete


Okay thanks! I'll try CareFresh Complete :scratchchin:

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Posted 24 October 2011 - 06:58 AM

Okay thanks! I'll try CareFresh Complete :scratchchin:

Although, with Carefresh, you'd have to add your own sunflower seeds because it contains none.

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Posted 24 October 2011 - 08:34 AM

Carefresh complete is so bland. There isn't anything to it. I would honestly try hazel hamster. If you order it online, you can get three bags for around fifteen dollars. Even two bags of carefresh are around eight dollars at the store. So you actually save a bit :3. That is how I order mine:
Only thing that sorta sucks is the shipping :/.. But I'm a student and I live out in the middle of nowhere, so I have to order a lot of my pets food online. Including my cats, dogs and hammies :3
http://www.amazon.com/Supreme-Harrys-Little-Premium-Hamster/dp/B000093HMJ/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1319416373&sr=8-3

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Posted 25 October 2011 - 02:52 AM

Carefresh complete is so bland. There isn't anything to it. I would honestly try hazel hamster. If you order it online, you can get three bags for around fifteen dollars. Even two bags of carefresh are around eight dollars at the store. So you actually save a bit :3. That is how I order mine:
Only thing that sorta sucks is the shipping :/.. But I'm a student and I live out in the middle of nowhere, so I have to order a lot of my pets food online. Including my cats, dogs and hammies :3
http://www.amazon.com/Supreme-Harrys-Little-Premium-Hamster/dp/B000093HMJ/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1319416373&sr=8-3

I live outside the states though...does Amazon ship to Canada?

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 08:50 AM

I live outside the states though...does Amazon ship to Canada?


Amazon does ship to Canada.
What you need to look out for is if the place you're purchasing from is 3rd party or Amazon itself.

For example, Amazon Canada does show a listing for it but it's 35+18.75 shipping http://www.amazon.ca/dp/B005F5BD1K

On Amazon.com (US) it changes. http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html/ref=hp_navbox_596184_faq?nodeId=596192

Since Amazon.com has this listing: http://amzn.com/B005F5BD1K this is fufilled by Amazon, so it will use Amazon's shipping rates. So amazon's "price of shipping+weight" from that help file.

I hope that helps.

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 03:21 AM

I think this thread might need updated as there seems to be a lot of conflicting information and now I'm just confused! Posted Image